Sep 17, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: North Carolina
Profession: N/Me
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A Contradiction I've noticed.
I've noticed this and I'd love for Gaile to explain should she read this. Ok Anet has a no farming policy, so much so that they have implemented an anti-farming code. Ok then they turn around and offer Fissure armor which requires farming to get or purchase the materials. Then you also have titles like Treasure hunter which require you to open not 25 or 30 high end chests but 100. So which is it Anet? Do you want us to farm or not? I mean you shouldn't chastise us with anti farming code and then entice us with a reward for the very behavior that you just told us not to do or else.
Granted it is possible to achieve the above mentioned goals without doing any farming according to Hoyle, but considering the rarity of ecto and shard drops versus the number needed for FOW armor or the number of chests that appear on average in the high end areas such a task would take a ridiculous amount of time to achieve. You also have to think about those of us who have beaten the campaigns and now just have titles as a goal. I can't devote myself to achieving those goals for fear of a drop nerf. I just wish that the stance on farming was more clear.
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Sep 17, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56
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Hell's Protector
Join Date: Oct 2005
Profession: R/Mo
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Anet doesnt have an anti-farming policy.
They have an anti-botting policy.
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Sep 17, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]
Profession: W/E
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Anet doesnt have an anti-farming policy.
They have an anti-botting policy.
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Precisely; no contradiction here.
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18
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#5
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Site Legend
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Port Sledge - on average 3 chests per run, easy as hell run <~~that is where most chest running for title is done..i know thats where i opened most of the 1500 chests i did.
There is no "real" proof of any such code.
Last edited by The Admins Bane; Sep 18, 2006 at 12:38 AM // 00:38..
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24
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#6
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.
Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ]
Profession: Me/
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I agree, the 'anti-farm' system is very hazy although it has to be to prevent people from by-passing it. Bot-like behaviour is most likely to trigger few, poor drops. In other words, repetitive, quiet farming will probably trigger alarm bells in the server and your drop rate will go down. It is annoying no knowing the whole truth but its only to protect the game economy.
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32
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#7
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: AUS
Profession: A/R
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I don't see why it is such a bad thing, FoW Armour as you said, takes awhile to get, however that is the whole purpose of it, if it was easier we would see every man and his dog running around in it. Though whether you choose to farm for it or not is your decision.
Same thing with titles, there not meant to be earnt in a day. Trust me, you feel like you have truely earnt something if you put time and effort into it (same thing with FoW armour).
It also keeps the players hooked, which is all that matters to Anet, they are a company after all.
To sum up, you will always have a choice, take the shorter boring road of farming, or take the longer road of not farming. See it as a personal victory, something that should be earnt, not farmed ;D.
"You get out what you put in"
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:45 AM // 00:45
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#8
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Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Etereal Guard
Profession: Me/Mo
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It's not anti-farming. It's anti-botting. It code was there to prevent bots to farm the same place over and over again. If it's human controller, it will alter place to farm and the code won't activate.
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Sep 18, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25
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#9
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ArenaNet
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We really do respect that some players like to "farm." That's ok with us, and we'll not take actions that will prohibit that. However, what we're trying to do, and what the vast majority of players wish us to do, is to put in code that restricts botting and item or gold sales. Sometimes there seems to be a conflict, but I assure you, farming for items and gold for personal use (as opposed to sales or auctions for real-world cash) is ok with us!
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Gaile Gray
Support Liaison
ArenaNet
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Sep 18, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37
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#10
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Earth, sadly
Guild: BORK
Profession: A/
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Heil Gaile!
Titles are for rich people. Rich people farm. Therefore titles were made to make people rich, then directly after, poor. They definitely want us to farm, because otherwise, the game is like... two weeks long.
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Sep 18, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13
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#11
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: in my room behind my pc
Guild: Guilty Guild [GG]
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i see allot of bots in beetletun europe district (english) they come in and talk to merchant and then leave again. i think this is because of avoiding detection by GW admins?
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Sep 18, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24
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#12
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Aequitas Deis
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they want us to get ritch by diffrent methods, and they have to fight the bots
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Sep 18, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57
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#13
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2006
Profession: W/N
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Well, the farming code can cause quite some frustration sometimes as it feels like penalizing those that try the hardest. You see, whenever i'm trying to develop a new build for either normal playing or farming the code will trigger and kill my drops for hours to come.
And it's not like i'm doing the same thing over and over again, i'm switching skills, running different routes and areas, chatting with guildies and friendslist... and after like 20 minutes he farming code kicks in and tosses me a warning that ultimately stops my fun drop dead in its tracks. "Don't overfarm" haha -.-
Sometimes the farming code pops up while casually playing an elitemission. You see there are thousands of Dredge and after my team got wiped in second room after the room with the exhaustion and weakness. We tried again and every single one of us got the Anti Farm Warning the second time we entered the warren. Not exactly fun anymore.
The Farmcode promotes paranoia, you never really know if it doesn't allready affect you or if you didn't see the warning (which you can only see with hints on and most just turn the hints off after or during the tutorial).
This doesn't exactly promote fun in playing and more clarity about the code would probably improve the fun of a lot of players and prevent threads such as this. Maybe implement a small bar that states you're in danger of triggering the farmcode? This way people know when the farmcode really kicks in and not just assume on paranoia and a streak of bad drops.
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Sep 18, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27
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#15
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Bubblegum Patrol
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore Armed Forces
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Str0b0
Treasure hunter which require you to open not 25 or 30 high end chests but 10000
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Fixed.
Anyone who has immense amounts of farmed xp has generally farmed one spot into potentially infinite antifarming... its not something that is going to stop you from 'getting rich' or affording FoW armor.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
The Farmcode promotes paranoia, you never really know if it doesn't allready affect you or if you didn't see the warning
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Exactly, you don't know the scale of the effect, whether you have the effect, or whether the effect really makes any kind of difference at all. So just farm, and you'll get loot.
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Sep 18, 2006, 11:00 AM // 11:00
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#16
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mt Vernon, Ohio
Guild: Band of the Hawk
Profession: W/Mo
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"what the vast majority of players wish us to do, is to put in code that restricts botting" -- I'm part of that vast majority, because I want to see online games of this kind survive, and GW in particular. WoW has had similar problems, both with bots and "sweatshop" farming. And EQ, I am told, although I do not play it.
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Sep 18, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12
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#17
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<3 Ecto
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If you have multiple farming locations you can farm each for say 30 mins and swap. I have done this for hours on end and never triggered the anti-farm code.
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Sep 18, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16
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#18
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Frost Gate Guardian
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jamal555
so gw is going down... slowly but going... its more boring every day...
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Congratulations! You are the 200,000 th person to say this. And you are as wrong as the first.
Guild Wars will die when its creators stop caring about it. It will die when it loses its soul. It will die because nothing lives forever.
However, it is not dying as of this moment. If Nightfall lives up to the hype it will be stronger than ever. Don't confuse your boredom for the game's poor health.
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:09 PM // 12:09
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#19
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Denmark
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
Well, the farming code can cause quite some frustration sometimes as it feels like penalizing those that try the hardest. You see, whenever i'm trying to develop a new build for either normal playing or farming the code will trigger and kill my drops for hours to come.
And it's not like i'm doing the same thing over and over again, i'm switching skills, running different routes and areas, chatting with guildies and friendslist... and after like 20 minutes he farming code kicks in and tosses me a warning that ultimately stops my fun drop dead in its tracks. "Don't overfarm" haha -.-
Sometimes the farming code pops up while casually playing an elitemission. You see there are thousands of Dredge and after my team got wiped in second room after the room with the exhaustion and weakness. We tried again and every single one of us got the Anti Farm Warning the second time we entered the warren. Not exactly fun anymore.
The Farmcode promotes paranoia, you never really know if it doesn't allready affect you or if you didn't see the warning (which you can only see with hints on and most just turn the hints off after or during the tutorial).
This doesn't exactly promote fun in playing and more clarity about the code would probably improve the fun of a lot of players and prevent threads such as this. Maybe implement a small bar that states you're in danger of triggering the farmcode? This way people know when the farmcode really kicks in and not just assume on paranoia and a streak of bad drops.
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First off there IS NO ANTI FARM CODE - it's ANTI BOT.
Second, consider doing what you're supposed to do once in a while - play the game, that will fix your problems.
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Sep 18, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15
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#20
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jun 2006
Profession: W/N
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First, could you please be more arrogant? All i see you doing is flaming and bitching around on these forums in every single one of your posts. Not once have you contributed to a discussion without flamebaiting.
Second, read what i have written. The anti FARM CODE sometimes triggers when playing casually.
Third, change the label, it's still the same.
Now get lost.
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